Chuck Todd, Conway Throw Down Over 'Alternative Facts'

If the first 48 hours of the Trump administration are anything to go by, it's going to be a testy four years between the White House and the Fourth Estate. Following Saturday night's press conference in which press secretary Sean Spicer lambasted media reports about the size of inauguration crowds, Kellyanne Conway took to Chuck Todd's Meet the Press, defending Spicer's comments. How the feisty interview went down, per Business Insider:

• Conway: "I don't think ultimately presidents are judged by crowd sizes. They're judged by their accomplishments."
• Todd: "You make a reasonable and rational case for why crowd sizes don't matter. You did not answer the question. Why put him out there for the very first time to utter a provable falsehood?"

• Conway: "If we're going to keep referring to our press secretary in those types of terms, we're going to have to rethink our relationship here."
• Todd: "You did not answer the question of why the president asked the White House press secretary to come out in front of the podium for the first time and utter a falsehood. Why did he do that? It undermines the credibility of the entire White House press office on day one."
• Conway: "No it doesn't, do be so overly dramatic about it, Chuck. You're saying it's a falsehood, and Sean Spicer, our press secretary is giving alternative facts to that."
• Todd: "Wait a minute, alternative facts? Alternative facts—four of the five facts he uttered are not true. Alternative facts are not facts—they're falsehoods."

Watch the exchange at Business Insider. (More Kellyanne Conway stories.)